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Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.25 23:54:00 - [1] Originally by: Blacklight To be honest I'm more interested how CCP intend to deal with a particular element of the player base who think that just because their personal drama llama is on the loose it's then ok to spam these forums to the degree that they have to be taken down to deal with it. Yeah, cause that's far worse than what BoB has done. Besides, if you guys never cheated in the first place, this spamming wouldn't have happend. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.25 23:57:00 - [2] Originally by: Zy'or Tealon Originally by: R3dSh1ft and what about the banning of the ISD reporter (of 1.5 years no less) without an explanation to him? That's a seperate issue and of no concern to us. It's off concern to every paying player. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.27 23:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Liang Nuren Furthermore, they're "friends", and directly admitted to using that access for in-game bug fixes and favors. Erm, no we haven't? We've directly admitted to, wait for it... using MSN to speak with our friends. If you don't think CCP are monitoring those contacts like hawks for acts of impropriety already then no matter of proof or evidence will ever satisfy you. Get over yourselves, whiners. You'll not be able to talk you out of this one. Either the corruption will be dealt with, or CCP will pay for it dearly with the thousands of accounts that'll be banned/cancelled. You've brought this upon yourselves, now live with the consequences. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 00:21:00 - [4] Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Etho Demerzel Originally by: DoctorGonzo bla bla bla. Me ubber, me wins. You lose you shut up. Lets face the truth. A good part of BoB cheats. Therefore you either are part of those who cheat and consequently won't confess here, or you are part of those who don't and won't know anything about it. You may try to fool yourself in order to inflate your ego conquered by the results of other people cheating, but in the end it means nothing. It is obvious your alliance is having help for a long time from GMs/Devs in many many ways. Everything you have is tainted by it, and no one will ever know how far you could get in your own legs. Read the last paragraph of my original post again please, it's simple to understand - if we've cheated in anyway, then ban the cheats. If we haven't, then clear us of any wrong doing. I'm afraid, after the endless stream of arrogant posts of BoB's leadership, it won't be that simple. You'll always be marked as cheaters, no matter what the outcome of the investigations. Sucks to be you right now. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 00:40:00 - [5] Originally by: DoctorGonzo I donÆt see CCP escaping from these same problems û this current drama bomb is more than likely a communication mess-up. GM 39 should have told GM 12 that he was about to do X, at which point the paying customer (corp 1063) should have been told that GM 39 was about to carry out task Y. ItÆs such a simple procedure to mess-up and the kind of mistake that happens in businesses all over the world every day. Just cause it's a frequent and reoccuring problem, doesn't mean it should be acceptable. The business world is a though one, as you should know. One small mistake could start a chain of events that literally destroys a corporation. In this case, a customer doesn't receive the product he's paying for, as it was never stated that CCP employees would abuse their rights and powers, nor that they would interfere with 0.0 politics and allow certain volunteers to rig events in favour of a small part of the memberbase. I wonder if we'd go to court, we would get our money back since CCP failed to deliver the product we paid for? Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 00:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Khorian Even tho your motivation in this may be honorable, the way you handled it was not. You claim you like this game, but you also have to admit when you look at this thread that it has turned into a BoB/CCP hate propaganda fest and hurt EVEs reputation throughout the net alot. That will be hard to repair once the dust settles. BoB will not be lend an ounce of leniency due to your behaviour in the past 2-3 years. BoB has **ed of a lot of people in the past, and now it has come to bit you in the ass. Originally by:** Khorian If you complain about BoB members being rude and arrogant it might also be because wherever they go here they are met with hostility, even tho 99,999999% of them never did anything wrong. Because people talk about BoB when they throw around accusations, naturally BoB members feel personally offended. It's a natural reaction. I don't like being called a cheater, do you? BoB has been lead by oversized ego's for years now, who made the one arrogant post after the other, long before people had any reason to be hostile towards BoB members. If there's anyone to blame for how things are being handled now, blame the BoB leadership, especially people like SirMolle, Dianabolic, DB Preacher, DigitalCommunist, and the likes. Like I said in a different thread, you've brought this upon yourselves, now live with the consequences. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:10:00 - [7] Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 28/05/2007 01:09:41 Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu BoB will not be lend an ounce of leniency due to your behaviour in the past 2-3 years. BoB has **ed of a lot of people in the past, and now it has come to bit you in the ass.... BoB has been lead by oversized ego's for years now, who made the one arrogant post after the other, long before people had any reason to be hostile towards BoB members. If there's anyone to blame for how things are being handled now, blame the BoB leadership, especially people like SirMolle, Dianabolic, DB Preacher, DigitalCommunist, and the likes. Like I said in a different thread, you've brought this upon yourselves, now live with the consequences. wtf does that have to do with this thread? because bob made ppl angry, its ok to to launch a smear campaign against both them and CCP? because they were successful and arrogant in their success? don't hold back, don't stop for evidence or investigation or anything, just keep going! JUST because they are bob? Thats the sickest part of all of this. Almost no one cares WHAT happened, almost no one cares about if there was or wasn't any actual misconduct. All they need to hear is 'a bob guy knows a ccp guy in RL'. Thats good enough for them. I'm not approving it, I'm merely stating how a lot of people see BoB. It's called reality. Originally by:** Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:34:00 - [8] Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 28/05/2007 01:34:15 Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: DoctorGonzo I donÆt see CCP escaping from these same problems û this current drama bomb is more than likely a communication mess-up. GM 39 should have told GM 12 that he was about to do X, at which point the paying customer (corp 1063) should have been told that GM 39 was about to carry out task Y. ItÆs such a simple procedure to mess-up and the kind of mistake that happens in businesses all over the world every day. Just cause it's a frequent and reoccuring problem, doesn't mean it should be acceptable. The business world is a though one, as you should know. One small mistake could start a chain of events that literally destroys a corporation. In this case, a customer doesn't receive the product he's paying for, as it was never stated that CCP employees would abuse their rights and powers, nor that they would interfere with 0.0 politics and allow certain volunteers to rig events in favour of a small part of the memberbase. I wonder if we'd go to court, we would get our money back since CCP failed to deliver the product we paid for? I'm not saying it's acceptable, I'm saying it's understandable - two completely different things. Again, and I know I keep saying it, if some of our members have cheated in anyway or have had preferential treatment then it needs to be sorted out. If we haven't, then we need to be cleared of said accusations. And getting cleared of said accusations will be difficult, as the only ones being able to clear BoB's reputation are CCP, and they are accused of misconduct just as you guys. Even if CCP clears BoB of said accusations, the majority will not believe it as it will be coming from CCP, who are now tainted as being corrupt and biased. Only things that could possibly help you to clear your reputation would be a major reform at CCP and time, lots of time. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Jonas Vance Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 28/05/2007 01:47:09 Exactly because there is no proof Dev's are giving away valuable EvE intel through MSN is enough reason why they should not be talking to paying customers on MSN. For all we know BoB might have gotten loads of advice from CCP other paying customers didn't have access to, and CCP wouldn't be able to be held accountable as there would be no way to prove it. If they aren't guilty, they should have known better. It's their own fault. Well, we already have proof Dev's posing as players have given valuable information to BoB (and who knows who else). (T20/Ishos Rerajan Incident). The medium wasn't as controversial as direct Dev access via MSN. The crime is no less heinous. I'm just giving certain BoB members the benefit of the doubt. And they of all people know I have no reason whatsoever to do that after the treatment they've been giving me the last few years. Guess I still have hope for this game . Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 02:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Cheng Death Kill, what I said about my family is not the point. - The point is that somone I know works for CCP. Does my uncle have to resign from his job? And am I a cheater just becoz I can call him and talk to him? If the dev/gm's reveals something about the game, then it's the dev/gm's fault. Not the person that got to know the information. In most civilized countries, if you know someone is going to, or has commited a crime, and you don't notify the proper authorities, you get sued for aiding a criminal. If a CCP employee breaks CCP rules by giving you classified information, it's your duty to immidiately report it to the right people in CCP, instead of sticking your head in the sand. Of course, if you don't mind getting advantages ingame due to CCP affiliations, you have no right to complain about the memberbase's behaviour towards you. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 02:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Aphotic Raven Originally by: Flaming Lemming CCPs latest answer. I think this finally explains EVERYTHING. The link in your sig... whats it from please? It's an unrelated YouTube video. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 02:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Cheng Can you show me proofs of someone else that is in BoB or was in BoB, cheated? I'm asking for proofs... Not speculations. If you can't give me hard proofs, then don't bother answering. It will only make you look bad. You appear to not understand that if Dev's/GM's did cheat, they were able to destroy a lot of proof before it leaked out in the public. It's like people claiming to see UFO's, but not being able to prove it. Millions of people claim to have seen 'aliens' but so far, proof is lacking. This might be cause there are no aliens and we're truely alone, or the aliens did their best to ensure no proof of their visits can be found. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 03:03:00 - [13] Originally by: HankMurphy lol, if you ripped out all the text in this thread. how many standard book sized pages do you think it would fill? ...or to say, reading this thread is the equivalent of a how many paged book? I did some rough calculations and came up with 800. Sounds high but wouldn't be suprised if thats being conservative... (Lets just ignore the fact it would be the worst book ever written. I bet, if you read this thread front to back your brains would leak out of your ears. ) oh yeah, and a bit of something to stay on topic... DEVHAXSPLOIT!! i cancel my subscription!11! 2 ppl knowing each other in RL = the ENTIRE GAME being FIXED for bob to win!!! everyone i know is quitting now! CONSPIRACY!! Can't post anything sensible anymore, so you figured posting senseless spam would help your case? Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 03:22:00 - [14] Originally by: HankMurphy i dont have "a case". I think this whole thing is laughable. I just hate what goonswarm did to get attention and how they justified it. (its been the topic of most my posts if ya notice) This is not a case of Goons vs BoB as it is the case of the customers vs CCP. Only a fraction of the people voicing their distaste of BoB/CCP are Goons, most of us aren't. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 03:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Cheng The investigation has revealed that CCP SharkB. was infact doing his job. There was a petition even though Darkstar1 lied there was none. And the petition was not deleted. - So I wonder what else is false in that "Open Letter" ? It's always handy when the accused are also the judges. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 03:32:00 - [16] The ones with the biggest mouth usually takes the most heat. BoB has proven to be full of big-mouths, so it's not surprising they are taking the heat for this one. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.28 03:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Rikeka For example, the guy that whined in Local to a GM because of a bumped dread... I bet he is not very smart. He is probably not in charge of BoB`s Military Intelligance. :P He's actually a high ranking Dev and one of the leading figures in BoB if I recall correctly. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP

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